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How can the moons of Jupiter be used to determine the position on sea ?

Posted 10 years ago

Galilei observed the moons of Jupiter and used it for the Determination of the Position on open sea. Which mathematical method was used to arrive at this result, and are there historical records of this calculation method. Sidereus nuncius describes only the observations. Was it actually used for the Determination of the longitude?

POSTED BY: Wim Schols
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Posted 10 years ago

This Gridiiron Demonstaration gives an insight into the construction of Harrison's clocks

POSTED BY: Hans Milton
Posted 10 years ago

Thank you Todd, it was indeed Harrison who made the perfect mechanical clock and got the prize after 60 years of research and improvements, My question was rather related to the way the tables, used by the early navigators were calculated. It seemed that it was rather correct, apart from the orbital resonance of course. Do you have any idea of this calculation method and/or are there any records of this kind of calculations?

POSTED BY: Wim Schols
POSTED BY: Todd Rowland
Posted 10 years ago

It does seem that the eclipses of Jupiters moons has actually been used to find longitude of a location. From http://www.oceannavigator.com/May-June-2004/Longitude-by-Jove-navigating-with-Jupiters-moons/: enter image description here

POSTED BY: Hans Milton
Posted 10 years ago
POSTED BY: Wim Schols

I am not an expert, but I believe that the basic idea was that if you knew the exact time of day then with the position of the sun and stars, you can then infer longitude. The problem of latitude is much simpler, as you can use the highest altitude of the sun in the sky.

For example, take the sun's transit (highest elevation) in Champaign

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sun+transit+Champaign

and sun's transit in Peoria

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sun+transit+Peoria

which today is 12:02pm versus 12:08pm They are in the same timezone, the difference comes from the difference in longitude.

All you would need was a good watch to know which city you were in. The problem for the early navigators was that they did not have a good watch.

See the article in Wikipedia on the longitude prize

The basic idea was that if you could see the Galilean moons (which is the only connection to Galileo that I know of) and you had a table for predicting their positions, you could infer what time it was. An elegant idea but too elegant. Turned out that they did not obey the simplest model for orbital dynamics, and seemed unpredictable.

While the prize's intention was to have an astronomical solution, I believe the winner was the one who made a good clock.

Later the reason for their unpredictability was given the name orbital resonance. I think rather it is a good example of unpredictability in nature (see Wolfram's A New Kind of Science ) and the only decent predictions come from large computer calculations that simulate their motions.

Of course nowadays you can get the arrangement of Galilean moons on Wolfram Alpha

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Galilean+moons+configuration

POSTED BY: Todd Rowland
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