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Lost a Notebook with 11.0.1. How to get it again?

Posted 9 years ago
POSTED BY: Werner Geiger
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Posted 8 years ago
POSTED BY: Werner Geiger
Posted 8 years ago

I forgot: Of course I work with the newest version 11.2.0.0 (Windows 10, 64-bit)

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Posted 8 years ago
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Posted 9 years ago
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POSTED BY: Rolf Mertig
Posted 9 years ago

All in all for me the Wolfram product structure is very confusing and "over-marketed". There are so many different products with different options each (online, desktop, local, cloud, credits, API-calls, storage, kernels, computing time, ....).

It's really difficult to get to reasonable work, instead of investigating what is what.

POSTED BY: Werner Geiger
Posted 9 years ago

Thanks very much, Hans, for that hint. I think I have seen that home edition some time ago but did not notice that it can work locally.

But there is no official way to upgrade/downgrade from my current PL-license and I am not sure, if I can still use my cloud notebooks with that home edition. Probably downloading from the cloud to local before changing the license.

I think I will have to call wolfram support to find out.

POSTED BY: Werner Geiger

Why not Mathematica Home edition? Just call the german dealer. I do not sell Mathematica, but if you want you can also call me.

POSTED BY: Rolf Mertig
Posted 9 years ago

What is Mathematica Home Edition? I cannot find that on the Wolfram website.

Anyway. What I want from Wolfram is a locally running WL-IDE that stores my programs and data locally. And does not destroy them.

That's all. A pretty simple requirement.

POSTED BY: Werner Geiger
Posted 9 years ago

Home Edition is the "true" standalone desktop version, not Cloud depending. For private use, and at a substantial discount. Searching for it on this site gives:

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Edit: I checked the pricing. Mathematica Home Edition is actually cheaper than Programming Lab Standard. For one year, respectively:

  • 240 EUR for Programming Lab Standard
  • 155 EUR for Mathematica Home Edition

So if you are not using WL in a commercial context, it looks like the Home Edition is the better bet. With regards to both performance and price.

POSTED BY: Hans Milton

You are probably much better off using the desktop version only for data-intensive calculations, no cloud at all. Years ago I did professional consulting project with Gigabytes of data and all went fine, locally. I have no idea how I would do some real project using (public) cloud. Maybe with the Wolfram Enterprise private cloud that would be possible. But that seems still somewhat expensive.

POSTED BY: Rolf Mertig
Posted 9 years ago

There is no way of using PL locally. With my standard license it insists in storing everything within the Wolfram cloud.

This standard license costs are 240 EUR per year, it has a local desktop, but still forces me into the cloud for storage. Without any chance to escape from that.

I could update to a premium license for the double cost. This license claims to allow for local files. This is horribly expensive for a programming-hobby and I don't believe that I could get rid of that useless Wolfram cloud with such a license.

POSTED BY: Werner Geiger
Posted 9 years ago

Within another thread "How can I clear Mathematica data stored in the Virtual Memory? " I just found a hint from Sander concerning $HistoryLength which controls the stored amount of previous output.

I think this could really solve my problem.

POSTED BY: Werner Geiger
Posted 9 years ago

BTW: There are more things, which are very strange and prove that the Wolfram programmers are unable to handle their IDE: (I am still talking about WL-Programming Lab-Desktop).

The whole startup is a joke. Nonsense-windows that have to be opened until I get to my program (described elsewhere).

In each notebook I have File-Options "Save" and "Save to Cloud" which obviously do the same. Or not? Who knows?

I save a notebook and then close it. Then I am asked, if I want to save it again. Horrible! What happens? But I have no chance but saying Yes and pray, that the IDE will not kill my program.

I have no real idea what is saved where.

I assume that nothing is stored or replicated to my own PC. They keep me fully dependent on their cloud. And like to kill my programs thereby - see above. Although they claim to give me with that heavily payed desktop-license the possibility to develop locally.

Sometimes the UI just freezes. No idea when and why.


I love the Wolfram Language. This is really impressive and very intelligent what can be done with it.

Strange enough the IDE is anything else than intelligent. It is stupid and filled with bugs.

POSTED BY: Werner Geiger
Posted 9 years ago

BTW: There are more things, which are very strange and prove that the Wolfram programmers are unable to handle their IDE: (I am still talking about WL-Programming Lab-Desktop).

The whole startup is a joke. Nonsense-windows that have to be opened until I get to my program (described elsewhere).

In each notebook I have File-Options "Save" and "Save to Cloud" which obviously do the same. Or not? Who knows?

I save a notebook and then close it. Then I am asked, if I want to save it again. Horrible! What happens? But I have no chance but saying Yes and pray, that the IDE will not kill my program.

I have no real idea what is saved where.

I assume that nothing is stored or replicated to my own PC. They keep me fully dependent on their cloud. And like to kill my programs thereby - see above. Although they claim to give me with that heavily payed desktop-license the possibility to develop locally.

Sometimes the UI just freezes. No idea when and why.


I love the Wolfram Language. This is really impressive and very intelligent what can be done with it.

Strange enough the IDE is anything else than intelligent. It is stupid and filled with bugs.

POSTED BY: Werner Geiger

It is possible to push the limits of Notebooks as data containers. I had similar problems years ago, but have instinctually learned to avoid them. It can be very distressing when the only copy of an important notebook becomes unreadable. Backups are your particular responsibility, since the front end does not have file recovery, for example, like MS Office.

Also, you might avoid similar problems in the future by deleting all output before saving your notebooks at the end of a session, to the cloud or elsewhere.

There are threads elsewhere in the old Mathematica mailing list, on Stack Exchange, and probably in this Community that discuss methods for persistent notebook data.

Vince

POSTED BY: Vincent Virgilio
Posted 9 years ago

Hmm, for me this is quite strange thinking, since it passes the responsibilty for trivial save-operations to me instead of the IDE.

If the IDE thinks, it cannot save a notebook/program (But why? Can somebody think on any reason under a working Internet-connection?), it should tell that together with the reason and stop in an ordered manor. But not just destroy the program.

That the IDE tries to save a multiple of the data in use, i.e. fullform-output instead of shortform, and then kills everything thereon is ridiculous.

The error-messages and recovery-procedure (see above: Syntax error, plain text opening) are all wrong and do not work.

All of those are nothing but bugs, which render the Wolfram-PL-IDE very dangerous to use. Practically unusable.

You say, I should delete all output before saving. OK, but how? Manually? Tens or Hundreds of outputs, one after the other by manually deleting all those output cells? Or ist there a command for that? I could not find something like that.

All in all there remain two facts: 1) The Wolfram IDE Programming Lab IDE is dangerous since it destroys programs during save into the Wolfram cloud. 2) Basically the problem comes from not storing programs locally on my PC, but this cloud-nonsense instead.

POSTED BY: Werner Geiger

You say, I should delete all output before saving. OK, but how? Manually? Tens or Hundreds of outputs, one after the other by manually deleting all those output cells? Or ist there a command for that? I could not find something like that.

Desktop FrontEnd Menu "Cell > Delete All Output". Keyboard shortcut Alt+c,l ('el')

POSTED BY: Vincent Virgilio
Posted 9 years ago

Great! Thank you. I did not know that.

For the PL-desktop that option is in menu Advanced > Cell > Delete All Output

POSTED BY: Werner Geiger
Posted 9 years ago

@Moderation Team: Wolfram support could not help. I come back with that problem to help others avoiding this kind of disaster.

Now I have exactly the same problem again with another notebook. I think I understand now what happens. The notebook produces some large amount of data - say a list or array with some millions of elements - and outputs this in Short-form. For example Print[Short[list]].

I do always a ClearAll["Global`*"] before saving the notebook into the cloud. Hoping to reduce its size. But this is not sufficient, since the output stays within the notebook and when saved, it is not saved in Short-form but in full-form, which makes the save huge (say some 20 MB or larger, not really huge). It takes some time, and then - very strange - the notebook can not be reopened since Wolfram claims the syntax error described above.

For me this is a horrible bug.

To get around it I now always introduce a parameter controlling the size of the problem. In this example the list-Length. Before saving I reduce that parameter from said some millions to 10 or so, run the complete code, do the ClearAll and save. Then the save gets really small and can be reopened.

(Probably the ClearAll is not necessary at all. One has just to avoid large outputs within the notebook, even if displayed in Short-form only).

POSTED BY: Werner Geiger

Please contact support directly for such issues: http://www.wolfram.com/support/contact

Forum members cannot provide help in this matter.

POSTED BY: EDITORIAL BOARD
Posted 9 years ago

BTW: I think this idea of storing things within internet-clouds instead of locally and without a local copy in 1:1 structure is some of the biggest nonsense that IT-people invented during the last 10 years or so. It started on smartphones with nonsense-terms like "photos, music, videos, documents, hubs" etc. and propagated to PCs meanwhile. Nobody knows anymore since then what is stored where and when and under which exact name and which file attributes. And what is replicated where and if at all. Actually all those are just files within some directory-structure. Vendors try everything to hide that from customers since then.

This is particularly true for a product like Wolfram Programming Lab Desktop, which is aimed to allow for local development, but cannot live an hour without an online connection to the Wolfram cloud. And then - to make things a desaster - just destroys files in their cloud.

If I imagine, I would have to develop a huge program (as I did for tenths of years in many different IDEs) with such an IDE with hundreds of files and some tricky directory structure, I think it would be a real nightmare.

POSTED BY: Werner Geiger
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