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Where would magnetism fit in this model?

Posted 6 years ago

I am looking to the "A Class of Models with the Potential to Represent Fundamental Physics" document and I find it lacking of mentions to electromagnetism.

Some sentences I found: "In traditional physics, local gauge invariance already occurs in classical theories (such as electromagnetism), and it is notable that for us it appears to arise from considering multi‐way systems." and "electric/gauge charges: counts of local hyperedge configurations". Later on there is some discussion on the size of the electron.

As seen that the model can explain mass, momentum, and gravity in a relatively nice way, I wonder if electromagnetism would also have a similar explanation. More specifically, could Lorentz force and Maxwell's equations emerge somehow? Or are they expected to be tied to specific rules.

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Posted 6 years ago

The question was "Where would magnetism fit in this model?". Kaluza theory says: "It will fit!"

So an advice could be: first get Minkowski-Space and Einstein-Equations done, before including Electromagnetism.

I think, that a light cone should be only one causal knot (!)
(for a photon time stands still and everything is beyond event horizon, but it transports an interaction between generation point and absorption point).

POSTED BY: Detlef Hoyer
Posted 6 years ago
POSTED BY: Detlef Hoyer

Here is a classic paper from 1994 that might be of interest with regard to Kaluza-Klein theory. https://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/9410046

Posted 6 years ago

Adding a fifth dimension and setting 5D-Ricci-Tensor Rab=0, the electromagnetic differential geometry operators div and rot are included and electromagnetism follows.

I am working with a version, where we have 3 spatial dimensions and 2 two of other qualities: time and mass/charge (spacelike). Additional to the ten gravity potentials there are the four potentials Ai of the electromagnetic 4-Vector and the gravity-'constant' as a potential. A small diameter is not neccessary for the 'classical' Kaluza theory.

POSTED BY: Detlef Hoyer

That Kaluza-Klein theory feels very appealing. I am not an expert and I am not quite grasping many aspects of it, but if just by adding a fifth dimension the electromagnetism follows then it is a argument for electromagnetism not being rule specific.

There seem to be several possible compactifications on Kaluza-Klein. And since we are discussing a discrete model we should have more candidates. If we have an structure like the Cartesian product of three large cycles (the three spatial dimensions) and some graph G. For what kind of graphs G we would get the electromagnetism from Kaluza-Klein? I guess that G should have low diameter, so that that 'dimension' is not observable as a spacelike dimension.

Posted 6 years ago

Electromagnetism has been unified with gravity by Kaluza Theory. It's just Einstein's Equation in 5D without an Energy-Momentum-Tensor: Rab=0. You get that way Maxwell too.

POSTED BY: Detlef Hoyer
Posted 6 years ago

Keep in mind, electromagnetism is a special case of a gauge theory. We are not currently trying to find electromagnetism itself, which will likely be rule-specific (although we will search for it in the future). We are now just trying to understand how gauge theories would work in our models in general.

POSTED BY: Max Piskunov
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