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Density / Schwarschild radius

Posted 12 years ago

If the only information available is the density of an object, is it possible to calculate its schwarzschiid radius?

POSTED BY: richard bowen
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Posted 12 years ago

Frank that thank you was for you as well.

POSTED BY: richard bowen
Posted 12 years ago

Thanks for the help. David, you last comment is definitely accurate but for what I am working on it shouldn't make a difference. Once I have worked with the info you provided I may have a question that needs to be put into Mathematica format. Your comments and time are very much appreciated.

POSTED BY: richard bowen
POSTED BY: David Reiss

Apropos of my computation above here is the value one gets if one uses the density of water:

UnitConvert[
  (Quantity["SpeedOfLight"] Sqrt[3/(2 \[Pi])])/(2 Sqrt[
      Quantity["GravitationalConstant"]] Sqrt[
      Quantity[1, "Grams"/"Centimeters"^3]]), "Kilometers"]/
 UnitConvert[PlanetData["Earth", "Radius"], "Kilometers"]

which gives

6.297 10^4

times the radius of the earth...

POSTED BY: David Reiss
 Planck mass

mp = Sqrt[\[HBar] c/G];

 Planck length

lp = Sqrt[\[HBar] G/c^3];

 Schwarzschild radius of Planck mass is 2 Planck lengths

rs = 2*G*mp/c^2;

rs/lp // PowerExpand

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POSTED BY: Frank Kampas

In my post above there needs to be a rho in the expression for the mass in terms of the radius. The community technology seems to screw up the TeX code if I try to edit it, dropping various parts in the edit window and I do not want to have to repost the entire thing. The final answer is still right.

POSTED BY: David Reiss

See my revised answer above.... By the way, if you forget the expression for the Schwartzschild radius you can get it from

FormulaData[{"BlackHoleEventHorizonRadius", "Standard"}]
POSTED BY: David Reiss
POSTED BY: David Reiss

The Schwarzschild radius of a mass is not the radius of the object. It is the radius below which if a non-rotating spherically symmetric distribution with that mass were contained within it it would constitute a black hole. Frank's answer is correct.

Now let's get back to our originally scheduled broadcast and purpose for this forum: Wolfram technologies. ;-)

POSTED BY: David Reiss
Posted 12 years ago

I am obviously not communicating my question well. Let's try this: for a substance with a given density what volume of that substance contained within a non-rotating symmetric sphere would be required to create a black hole?

POSTED BY: richard bowen

Ok, I think that I can give you a more sensible answer.

Here is the expression for the Schawrtzschild radius in terms of the Mass:

$r=\frac{2 G M}{c^2}$

Now substitute for the mass in terms of the density ( $M=\frac{4 \pi r^3}{3}$) and get:

$r=\frac{8 \pi G \rho r^3}{3 c^2}$

Now solve for r,

Solve[r == (8 G \[Pi] r^3 \[Rho])/(3 c^2), r]

and get

{{r -> 0}, 
{r -> -((c Sqrt[3/(2 \[Pi])])/( 2 Sqrt[G] Sqrt[\[Rho]]))},
 {r -> (c Sqrt[3/(2 \[Pi])])/( 2 Sqrt[G] Sqrt[\[Rho]])}}

and the last solution is clearly the physical one you are looking for:

$\frac{\sqrt{\frac{3}{2 \pi }} c}{2 \sqrt{G} \sqrt{\rho }}$

Is this the correct interpretation of your question? I hope this helps...

POSTED BY: David Reiss
Posted 12 years ago

if the mass of an object is known its schwarzschild radius can be calculated. The volume of a sphere with that radius can then be determined. Then that mass per that volume provides a density. Therefore, every schwarzschild radius corresponds to a specific density. Is it just a simple algebraic equation to go from density to Schwarzschild radius?

POSTED BY: richard bowen

No, it's proportional to the mass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius

POSTED BY: Frank Kampas
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