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Stability of Mathematica 10

Posted 11 years ago
POSTED BY: John McGee
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POSTED BY: Rolf Mertig

A 10.1 would be great if the company undertook to fix ALL outstanding bugs and introduce no new features.

POSTED BY: Mike Honeychurch
Posted 11 years ago
POSTED BY: Mathias Breuss

Have not noticed stability problems in V10 on Yosemite and prior to that Mavericks but admittedly did not use it much due to the amount of bugs present and the lack of Player Pro. I am still on V9 95% of the time but want to shift 100% to V10 when these issues are fixed because I like some of the new features. It remains a source of frustration that bugs go unfixed for multiple versions. In the V10 installation I have tried (10.0.1) there are bugs reported in V7, V8 and V9 still present.

POSTED BY: Mike Honeychurch
Posted 11 years ago

I wonder what users think about having multiple Menus on multiple notebooks?

What I really like about the new-in-v.10 multiple windows interface is that it provides a workaround for the long-standing bug of empty list of opened Notebooks in the "Window" FrontEnd menu: now the individual Notebooks are also available from the Taskbar and I no longer have to rely on the FrontEnd menu.

Just presenting a "palette" of choices (such as PlotThemes) to users is not sufficient. It vastly underestimates the true power of Mathematica with its active calculation and dynamic controls.

I agree absolutely. The PlotThemes-style of development feels like step backward in the design of the system: it does not expand the possibilities but provides a limited number of hard-coded choices which are already simply outdated in their design (and always will for the obvious reasons!). It is not an expedient direction of development. What I expect in the future versions are new ways to construct graphics from other graphics. In particular I lack vector CropByMask command which would allow to crop a vector object by some vector mask defined, for example, as a Polygone (keeping everything in vectors of course!). I also lack the working FullGraphics function (which starting from version 6 simply does not work in the most of cases). I also feel that the Ticks functionality should be completely redesigned to allow much more flexibility: easy control on the distance from tick marks and the axes/frame, built-in functions for generating Ticks specification with at least that functionality which currently provides the CustomTicks` third-party package (what a shame that for such a basic task we still have to install third-party packages!).

POSTED BY: Alexey Popkov
Posted 11 years ago

The second problem is that there is a general negative attitude toward third party packages

Indeed there is and the basic reason is not that third-party packages cost money. Even with free packages we experience unexpected difficulties. For example, some time ago I sent to a colleague a Notebook with a couple of publication-quality graphs I prepared using free CustomTicks` package. But he faced strange problems with it: he got cryptic error messages which he was not able to interpret. It took substantial time from both he and me to figure out that all the graphics generated using CustomTicks` package is not completely standalone: it renders nicely inside of Notebook but any modification and even Export require the package to be installed. What a mess! I still do not know a straightforward way to get rid of this dependence. Imagine concerns I feel about installing additional packages: they break the ability to exchange Notebooks with colleagues!

POSTED BY: Alexey Popkov

Thanks for the information. I was not aware of some of these options.

Once a Mathematica 10 compliant CDF player has been released, I will check them out, using my wife as a beta tester.

Posted 11 years ago

Again, I envision that the best form of applications would be like advanced textbooks but with much greater power and flexibility.

That sounds reasonable but I have not got the idea. Could you be more specific about how such an application may be organized and worked with?

POSTED BY: Alexey Popkov

In the context of this question and this reply the following lines from 'Practical Foundations of Mathematics' by Paul Taylor (Cambridge Studies in Advanced Mathematics, 1999, p. 470) may be of interest: "On the other hand, the tite of technology will drive mathematicians into publishing their arguments in computer-encoded form. Theorems which provide nirvana will lose out to those that are programs and do calculations for their users on demand. A new philosophical and semantic basis is needed to save mathematics from being reduced again to programming." Shortly after reading this I started to contribute to the Wolfram Demonstrations project and felt to be not too far away from what Taylor is speaking about.

POSTED BY: Ulrich Mutze
Posted 11 years ago

It would be great if Wolfram Research could provide a means for users to provide Mathematica projects that are more involved than Demonstrations.

I agree absolutely. We all need some basic functional we can rely upon. Currently we have some extremely limited reliable basic functional which seemingly was not extended since the Mathematica version 3.

POSTED BY: Alexey Popkov
POSTED BY: Rolf Mertig
Posted 11 years ago

I'm on a Win 8.1 PC. I've submitted two problem reports to WRI (both confirmed). One would result in a front end lock up. The other would result in a PC lock up. I haven't experience your problems with crashes, but I have experienced timeouts when using WolframAlpha. I've read about other issues like the spell check problem. I think this release was not up to the usual WRI standards. I know WRI is working to correct the issues.

POSTED BY: David G
Posted 11 years ago

I've had this problem too. If it's caused by Undo (I've thought of this also), it would help if there were a command to clear the Undo cache, that could be used occasionally during a process (such as, in my case, a long sequence of non-local image transformations) you're afraid might cause a crash.

(Note that occasionally saving the notebook doesn't help much, because it's often during a save that the crash occurs.)

POSTED BY: Collin Merenoff
Posted 11 years ago

I don't think the details of his platform would be nearly as helpful to anyone attempting to reproduce this or possibly even diagnose this as a notebook containing n independent specific examples with directions to 1: reboot the machine, 2: boot Mathematica, 3: open this notebook, 4: evaluate a single specific cell in this notebook and 5: based on his repeated testing and for for his platform evaluating this cell will crash Mathematica about x% of the time. Since he has, more or less, reproducible crashes then this should be straightforward to do, it is the ones that can't be reproduced or even narrowed down to a specific example that are the harder ones. Otherwise this sounds like "I typed some stuff in, some stuff came out, some stuff is wrong, what?" that have been posted by some users in the past.

POSTED BY: Bill Simpson

John,

The spell check crash in Mathematica 10.0.1 has been reported to support@wolfram.com (and it has been fixed in the upcoming Mathematica 10.0.2 release).

POSTED BY: Arnoud Buzing

John,

I am running M10 under the latest Mac OS X and have no such stability issues. As others have suggested, more details on your platform would help.

David Mackay

POSTED BY: David Mackay

I am using windows 8 and it is fine. Looks like something is really wrong with higher version of windows. Ulrich Mutze, I think you should contact Wolfram help center.

POSTED BY: suvadip mandal

I'm using Windows 8.1 and my experience is not too different from John McGee's.

POSTED BY: Ulrich Mutze

Actually the note was meant for John McGee ;-) . And, yes, the crash reports are kind of like looking at the insides of sausage and trying to figure out what animals contributed....

POSTED BY: David Reiss

Of course -- including the crash report generated by OS X. I've only had 2 or 3, and they aren't strictly deterministic. I don't think that they are random either. I'm not good at reading the goat entrails from the crash logs. ;-)

It has been stable for me as well (OSX).

But, if you are able to create any reproducible crashes I hope that you reported them as bugs to WRI.

POSTED BY: David Reiss
POSTED BY: John McGee

Hi, I am a Mathematica user too and I use Mathematica 10 but I do not see any discrepancies regarding crashing of the software. It is doing well. Perhaps your installation was not done properly or some files were missing.

POSTED BY: suvadip mandal
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